Our American Family - Person Sheet
Our American Family - Person Sheet
NameJohn Morgan RYAN 
Birth Date1848
Birth PlaceArkansas
Death Date13 Feb 189077 Age: 42
Death PlaceStandish, Carroll County, Missouri
Burial PlaceCarroll County, Missouri, Mount Carmel Cemetery
OccupationUnion Soldier, MO 44th Regiment Co. F Infantry,
FatherMorgan RYAN , 44 (1817-1895)
MotherSusan Jane PATTON , 45 (1821-1883)
Spouses
Birth PlaceTennessee
Memo1843-45
Death Date14 Aug 1915 Age: 78
Death PlaceYale, Payne County, Oklahoma
ChildrenSarah Vietta (1868-1950)
Matilda Carolyn (1869-1915)
Charles Jerome (1871-1931)
George Smiley McClellan (1875-~1955)
Robert Fuller (1876-1969)
Dora Bell (1878-1948)
Margaret Elizabeth (1881-1956)
Notes for John Morgan RYAN
Was in Civil War. Joined in Carroll Co. MO when Wiley J. Ryan joined.59
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listed in 1880 Census59
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3. I have the marriage of John and Minerva at Polk Co, MO (not Clintonville).
Widow's pension declaration 1890 lists her married to John M. Ryan on May 12, 1867 by Rev. J. Evans at Clintonville, Cedar Co., MO. I have not found the actual marriage record, it is possible that it was destroyed in the war I guess. Family history was that Charley Ryan was born in "Virgil City/Polk County, Missouri." It gets confusing. What I did find was that John M. Ryan's sister (closest sibling in age) had a child in 1866 in Clintonville, Cedar County, MO (her 2nd husband, the first husband died in the war); then her next child by the 3rd husband was born in 1870 in Polk Co., MO; then in 1880 that family is in Rea, Carroll, Missouri. Her movements coincide with my trailing of John and Manerva, from their marriage in Cintonville 1866, to the Humansville area of Polk County in the 1870 census, to Rea, Carroll, MO in 1880. . . . Also have come across postings from the Carroll family (Manerva's 2nd oldest daughter, Matilda Caroline Ryan Carroll) - they have some really helpful family history posted online but there appears to be some guesswork/inconsistency as well, and I couldn't determine their sources.79
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I ordered the basic pension records from the National Archives for John M./Minerva C. Ryan and they just came. There is some new information. The best "proof" that this is "our" Ryan family was in the list of children living with Manerva when she applied for her widow's pension. The oldest under 16 yrs of age, living with her, was George S (for Smiley ;.) and she listed his birth date as April 22, 1875; I have it from another reliable source as April 27, 1875. I'm now 99.9 percent positive that this is the right family. Gee whiz, we have been trying to search this one out for decades now!
John M. Ryan's widow applied for the widow's pension following her husband's death which was Feb. 13, 1890 at Standish, Carroll County, Missouri. She listed her post office address as Bosworth which is the closest town. Both are in the vicinity of Carrollton, MO. She states that she was married to John M.on May 12,1867 at Clintonville, Cedar County, Missouri; and that her legal name when she married him was Manerva C. Bandy (not Baily). She listed their children under age 16 living with her as George S. b. April 22, 1875, Robert F. b. Apr. 25 1877, Dora B. b. Apr.1 1879, and Margaret I. b.July 21, 1881. She declared her own age as 53 yrs (b. 1837).
She put her mark (an"x") on the signature line -- I had noted in the census that neither she nor John could read or write. Someone filled out the declaration for her and they wrote her name as Miranda C. Ryan -- but the numbers match up to the other records which record her name as Manerva C. Ryan. There is an additional note that she received the widow's pension in Oklahoma between 1901-1915. She was dropped from the roll following her death on August 14, 1915 -- that was just one month after the death of her daughter Matilda Carolyn Carroll died.Manerva was living with Matilda in Yale, Payne County, Oklahoma. Presumably she died there - I still have not located a death notice, obituary or grave for either John or Manerva but at least I finally have a real good idea of where and when.
Back to John M. Ryan. He enlisted in the service on Sept. 3,1864 (with his older brother Wiley J.) and mustered in on Sept. 9, 1864. One month later, on October 9, 1864, he was at the Post Hospital in Rolla, Missouri. According to the report he was "disabled by measles resulting in affection of right side and eyes." I didn't know measles could do that. Apparently the affliction was not resolved until the following year as the report for July of 1865 reported him "absent sick at Rolla, MO, since Oct. 30,1864." He returned to duty on August 10, 1865 and mustered out of the company on August 15, 1865.
It appears that the widowed Manerva and family must have followed her oldest daughter Sarah and her husband Ora Drake to Iowa -- Sarah's 2nd child was born there in 1891 and her family was in Ft. Madison in the 1900 census. Charley, Manerva's oldest son, married Anna Blanke at St. Paul in 1894 and George married Kathryn Otte at St.Paul in 1895. The youngest son, Robert, also married in Lee County in 1895. Margaret, the baby of the family, married in Ft. Madison in 1896 (she couldn't have been more that 16 years old); and her older sister Dora got married in Ft. Madison in 1897. In 1900 Manerva was living with Margaret in Ft. Madison, right next door to Dora.
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Rebecca
On Ancestry from rebsnets.
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listed in 1880 Census59
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3. I have the marriage of John and Minerva at Polk Co, MO (not Clintonville).
Widow's pension declaration 1890 lists her married to John M. Ryan on May 12, 1867 by Rev. J. Evans at Clintonville, Cedar Co., MO. I have not found the actual marriage record, it is possible that it was destroyed in the war I guess. Family history was that Charley Ryan was born in "Virgil City/Polk County, Missouri." It gets confusing. What I did find was that John M. Ryan's sister (closest sibling in age) had a child in 1866 in Clintonville, Cedar County, MO (her 2nd husband, the first husband died in the war); then her next child by the 3rd husband was born in 1870 in Polk Co., MO; then in 1880 that family is in Rea, Carroll, Missouri. Her movements coincide with my trailing of John and Manerva, from their marriage in Cintonville 1866, to the Humansville area of Polk County in the 1870 census, to Rea, Carroll, MO in 1880. . . . Also have come across postings from the Carroll family (Manerva's 2nd oldest daughter, Matilda Caroline Ryan Carroll) - they have some really helpful family history posted online but there appears to be some guesswork/inconsistency as well, and I couldn't determine their sources.79
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I ordered the basic pension records from the National Archives for John M./Minerva C. Ryan and they just came. There is some new information. The best "proof" that this is "our" Ryan family was in the list of children living with Manerva when she applied for her widow's pension. The oldest under 16 yrs of age, living with her, was George S (for Smiley ;.) and she listed his birth date as April 22, 1875; I have it from another reliable source as April 27, 1875. I'm now 99.9 percent positive that this is the right family. Gee whiz, we have been trying to search this one out for decades now!
John M. Ryan's widow applied for the widow's pension following her husband's death which was Feb. 13, 1890 at Standish, Carroll County, Missouri. She listed her post office address as Bosworth which is the closest town. Both are in the vicinity of Carrollton, MO. She states that she was married to John M.on May 12,1867 at Clintonville, Cedar County, Missouri; and that her legal name when she married him was Manerva C. Bandy (not Baily). She listed their children under age 16 living with her as George S. b. April 22, 1875, Robert F. b. Apr. 25 1877, Dora B. b. Apr.1 1879, and Margaret I. b.July 21, 1881. She declared her own age as 53 yrs (b. 1837).
She put her mark (an"x") on the signature line -- I had noted in the census that neither she nor John could read or write. Someone filled out the declaration for her and they wrote her name as Miranda C. Ryan -- but the numbers match up to the other records which record her name as Manerva C. Ryan. There is an additional note that she received the widow's pension in Oklahoma between 1901-1915. She was dropped from the roll following her death on August 14, 1915 -- that was just one month after the death of her daughter Matilda Carolyn Carroll died.Manerva was living with Matilda in Yale, Payne County, Oklahoma. Presumably she died there - I still have not located a death notice, obituary or grave for either John or Manerva but at least I finally have a real good idea of where and when.
Back to John M. Ryan. He enlisted in the service on Sept. 3,1864 (with his older brother Wiley J.) and mustered in on Sept. 9, 1864. One month later, on October 9, 1864, he was at the Post Hospital in Rolla, Missouri. According to the report he was "disabled by measles resulting in affection of right side and eyes." I didn't know measles could do that. Apparently the affliction was not resolved until the following year as the report for July of 1865 reported him "absent sick at Rolla, MO, since Oct. 30,1864." He returned to duty on August 10, 1865 and mustered out of the company on August 15, 1865.
It appears that the widowed Manerva and family must have followed her oldest daughter Sarah and her husband Ora Drake to Iowa -- Sarah's 2nd child was born there in 1891 and her family was in Ft. Madison in the 1900 census. Charley, Manerva's oldest son, married Anna Blanke at St. Paul in 1894 and George married Kathryn Otte at St.Paul in 1895. The youngest son, Robert, also married in Lee County in 1895. Margaret, the baby of the family, married in Ft. Madison in 1896 (she couldn't have been more that 16 years old); and her older sister Dora got married in Ft. Madison in 1897. In 1900 Manerva was living with Margaret in Ft. Madison, right next door to Dora.
xxxooo
Rebecca
On Ancestry from rebsnets.
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Research notes for John Morgan RYAN
birthdate also listed as 1847
Notes for Minerva Caroline (Spouse 1)
2. I have a different spelling for Minerva that Manerva, where did this come from?
Good question. When I started it was Minerva/Menerva/Manerva and I've found her as Menarca and even Miranda - and last name transcribed as Bandy/Baily/Brady. You know how it goes. Final record that I have - from the widow's pension files, after she died - lists her as Manerva C. I have found census records, 1850/1860, for a Manerva Bandy living with a Jackson family first in Anderson County, TN, then moving in 1854 to Cedar County, MO (Manerva with them both census records and age consistent with b. c. 1838-1839, although I have yet to confirm that she is "my" Manerva, or find a connection with the Jackson family or any other Bandys for that matter). All census records I have found her in indicate she could not read/write (nor could her husband John M. Ryan) -- and in the widow's pension declaration, she signed with "her mark" (x). May never know but the Manerva spelling has proved fairly consistent.79
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I ordered the basic pension records from the National Archives for John M./Minerva C. Ryan and they just came. There is some new information. The best "proof" that this is "our" Ryan family was in the list of children living with Manerva when she applied for her widow's pension. The oldest under 16 yrs of age, living with her, was George S (for Smiley ;.) and she listed his birth date as April 22, 1875; I have it from another reliable source as April 27, 1875. I'm now 99.9 percent positive that this is the right family. Gee whiz, we have been trying to search this one out for decades now!
John M. Ryan's widow applied for the widow's pension following her husband's death which was Feb. 13, 1890 at Standish, Carroll County, Missouri. She listed her post office address as Bosworth which is the closest town. Both are in the vicinity of Carrollton, MO. She states that she was married to John M.on May 12,1867 at Clintonville, Cedar County, Missouri; and that her legal name when she married him was Manerva C. Bandy (not Baily). She listed their children under age 16 living with her as George S. b. April 22, 1875, Robert F. b. Apr. 25 1877, Dora B. b. Apr.1 1879, and Margaret I. b.July 21, 1881. She declared her own age as 53 yrs (b. 1837).
She put her mark (an"x") on the signature line -- I had noted in the census that neither she nor John could read or write. Someone filled out the declaration for her and they wrote her name as Miranda C. Ryan -- but the numbers match up to the other records which record her name as Manerva C. Ryan. There is an additional note that she received the widow's pension in Oklahoma between 1901-1915. She was dropped from the roll following her death on August 14, 1915 -- that was just one month after the death of her daughter Matilda Carolyn Carroll died.Manerva was living with Matilda in Yale, Payne County, Oklahoma. Presumably she died there - I still have not located a death notice, obituary or grave for either John or Manerva but at least I finally have a real good idea of where and when.
Back to John M. Ryan. He enlisted in the service on Sept. 3,1864 (with his older brother Wiley J.) and mustered in on Sept. 9, 1864. One month later, on October 9, 1864, he was at the Post Hospital in Rolla, Missouri. According to the report he was "disabled by measles resulting in affection of right side and eyes." I didn't know measles could do that. Apparently the affliction was not resolved until the following year as the report for July of 1865 reported him "absent sick at Rolla, MO, since Oct. 30,1864." He returned to duty on August 10, 1865 and mustered out of the company on August 15, 1865.
It appears that the widowed Manerva and family must have followed her oldest daughter Sarah and her husband Ora Drake to Iowa -- Sarah's 2nd child was born there in 1891 and her family was in Ft. Madison in the 1900 census. Charley, Manerva's oldest son, married Anna Blanke at St. Paul in 1894 and George married Kathryn Otte at St.Paul in 1895. The youngest son, Robert, also married in Lee County in 1895. Margaret, the baby of the family, married in Ft. Madison in 1896 (she couldn't have been more that 16 years old); and her older sister Dora got married in Ft. Madison in 1897. In 1900 Manerva was living with Margaret in Ft. Madison, right next door to Dora.
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Rebecca
On Ancestry from rebsnets.
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Good question. When I started it was Minerva/Menerva/Manerva and I've found her as Menarca and even Miranda - and last name transcribed as Bandy/Baily/Brady. You know how it goes. Final record that I have - from the widow's pension files, after she died - lists her as Manerva C. I have found census records, 1850/1860, for a Manerva Bandy living with a Jackson family first in Anderson County, TN, then moving in 1854 to Cedar County, MO (Manerva with them both census records and age consistent with b. c. 1838-1839, although I have yet to confirm that she is "my" Manerva, or find a connection with the Jackson family or any other Bandys for that matter). All census records I have found her in indicate she could not read/write (nor could her husband John M. Ryan) -- and in the widow's pension declaration, she signed with "her mark" (x). May never know but the Manerva spelling has proved fairly consistent.79
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I ordered the basic pension records from the National Archives for John M./Minerva C. Ryan and they just came. There is some new information. The best "proof" that this is "our" Ryan family was in the list of children living with Manerva when she applied for her widow's pension. The oldest under 16 yrs of age, living with her, was George S (for Smiley ;.) and she listed his birth date as April 22, 1875; I have it from another reliable source as April 27, 1875. I'm now 99.9 percent positive that this is the right family. Gee whiz, we have been trying to search this one out for decades now!
John M. Ryan's widow applied for the widow's pension following her husband's death which was Feb. 13, 1890 at Standish, Carroll County, Missouri. She listed her post office address as Bosworth which is the closest town. Both are in the vicinity of Carrollton, MO. She states that she was married to John M.on May 12,1867 at Clintonville, Cedar County, Missouri; and that her legal name when she married him was Manerva C. Bandy (not Baily). She listed their children under age 16 living with her as George S. b. April 22, 1875, Robert F. b. Apr. 25 1877, Dora B. b. Apr.1 1879, and Margaret I. b.July 21, 1881. She declared her own age as 53 yrs (b. 1837).
She put her mark (an"x") on the signature line -- I had noted in the census that neither she nor John could read or write. Someone filled out the declaration for her and they wrote her name as Miranda C. Ryan -- but the numbers match up to the other records which record her name as Manerva C. Ryan. There is an additional note that she received the widow's pension in Oklahoma between 1901-1915. She was dropped from the roll following her death on August 14, 1915 -- that was just one month after the death of her daughter Matilda Carolyn Carroll died.Manerva was living with Matilda in Yale, Payne County, Oklahoma. Presumably she died there - I still have not located a death notice, obituary or grave for either John or Manerva but at least I finally have a real good idea of where and when.
Back to John M. Ryan. He enlisted in the service on Sept. 3,1864 (with his older brother Wiley J.) and mustered in on Sept. 9, 1864. One month later, on October 9, 1864, he was at the Post Hospital in Rolla, Missouri. According to the report he was "disabled by measles resulting in affection of right side and eyes." I didn't know measles could do that. Apparently the affliction was not resolved until the following year as the report for July of 1865 reported him "absent sick at Rolla, MO, since Oct. 30,1864." He returned to duty on August 10, 1865 and mustered out of the company on August 15, 1865.
It appears that the widowed Manerva and family must have followed her oldest daughter Sarah and her husband Ora Drake to Iowa -- Sarah's 2nd child was born there in 1891 and her family was in Ft. Madison in the 1900 census. Charley, Manerva's oldest son, married Anna Blanke at St. Paul in 1894 and George married Kathryn Otte at St.Paul in 1895. The youngest son, Robert, also married in Lee County in 1895. Margaret, the baby of the family, married in Ft. Madison in 1896 (she couldn't have been more that 16 years old); and her older sister Dora got married in Ft. Madison in 1897. In 1900 Manerva was living with Margaret in Ft. Madison, right next door to Dora.
xxxooo
Rebecca
On Ancestry from rebsnets.
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Notes for John Morgan & Minerva Caroline (Family)
other researchers have marriage date as May 16, 1867 Polk Co, MO59