Our American Family - Person Sheet
Our American Family - Person Sheet
NameMaria Teresa SEREN=PIOCCA 144,142,143, 15
Birth Date28 Feb 184685,142
Birth PlaceAlpette, Torino, Piedmont, Italy
Bapt Date28 Feb 1846 Age: <1
Bapt PlaceAlpette, Torino, Piedmont, Italy
Death Date3 Mar 190813 Age: 62
Death PlaceAlpette, Torino, Piedmont, Italy
ReligionCatholic
FatherGiacomo A. SEREN=PIOCCA=RIVA , 30 (1817-)
MotherGiovanna SEREN=ROSSO , 31 (1824-)
Spouses
Birth Date24 May 184485,142
Birth PlaceAlpette, Torino, Piedmont, Italy
Bapt Date24 May 1844 Age: <1
Bapt PlaceAlpette, Torino, Piedmont, Italy
Death Date21 Aug 189886 Age: 54
Death PlaceAlpette, Torino, Piedmont, Italy
OccupationFarmer?
ReligionCatholic
FatherGiacomo GOIETTINA , 28 (1799-1873)
MotherMagdalena GOGLIO , 29 (1804-1850)
Family ID57
Marr Date19 Oct 1869142,86
Marr PlaceAlpette, Torino, Piedmont, Italy
ChildrenMadelina "Madeline" (1871-1927)
 Govanna “Joanna” (1876-1976)
 Caterina “Katie” (1879-1948)
 Antonia Maria “Mary” , 7 (1892-1957)
Notes for Maria Teresa SEREN=PIOCCA
Maria Teresa Seren=Piocca

Most Recent Common Ancestor DNA verification:
GEDmatch, "One-to-One DNA Comparison”, database report, GEDmatch (http://gedmatch.com) accessed August 16, 2017), kit nos. T620718 4C Joseph K. Thekan through Scott Swanson (sswanson@butler.edu) and T758555 John Johnson, 2 segments of 36.1 cM total segments larger than 7 cM, longest block on chromosome 14 (start—stop points: 61,640,491-82,223,121) equaling 21.5 cM.

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UPDATED FROM 586:
Teresa Seren=Piocca; daughter of Giacomo Seren=Piocca and Giovanna Seren=Rosso; born 28 February 1846 Alpette; baptised 28 February 1846 Alpette
* mtDNA haplogroup UEa1
* birth record [Alpette 1846 #6]: Theresa Seren=Piocca; daughter of Giacomo
Seren=Piocca and Joanna Seren=Rosso; godparents Giovanni Baptista Marchetti
and Theresa Seren=Rosso
* marriage record [Alpette 1869 #4]: Maria Theresa Seren=Piocca, age 22,
contadina, daughter of Giacomo Seren=Piocca and Joanna Seren=Rosso
* Teresa Seren=Piocca married 19 October 1869 Alpette: Pietro Goiettina143

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daughter Nina was 16 years old when her mother died

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Teresa Seren=Piocca; daughter of Giacomo Seren=Piocca and Giovanna Seren=Rosso;
born 28 February 1846 Alpette; baptised 28 February 1846 Alpette
* mtDNA haplogroup UEa1
* birth record [Alpette 1846 #6]: Theresa Seren=Piocca; daughter of Giacomo
Seren=Piocca and Joanna Seren=Rosso; godparents Giovanni Baptista Marchetti
and Theresa Seren=Rosso
* marriage record [Alpette 1869 #4]: Maria Theresa Seren=Piocca, age 22,
contadina, daughter of Giacomo Seren=Piocca and Joanna Seren=Rosso
* Teresa Seren=Piocca married 19 October 1869 Alpette: Pietro Goiettina145

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name listed as Seran Rosso on death certificate of daughter Antonia, was filled out probably by Grandfather John Trabucco147

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Name also given as Teresa Seren Piocca142

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Following is a series of email correspondence on Goiettina/Seran ancestors, with main areas of information excerpted as follows (Source 519):
On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
Happy to hear from you.  Joseph Thekan is my father's second cousin.  I have had a look at your family tree, and the connection between you is clearly through the families of Alpette.

I have abstracted the Alpette parish registers 1657-1840 and I have pulled together information about the earlier reaches of the Goiettina and Seren=Piocca families.  It should be straightforward to find the baptismal records of your ancestors, unless they left Alpette for Cuorgnè or Torino, and carry back their lines.  That said, I'm not quite sure how your ancestors and Joe's ancestors mesh, so I don't know the exactly degree of your match.  I know thoroughly his mother's Aimone ancestry.  His mother's mother was Domenica Dominietto, also from Alpette, and her ancestry I have not yet traced, though again, I have files on earlier reaches of the Dominietto family.  Give me several weeks and I can probably add a fair number of generations to your chart.  Could you send me every detail you know about Pietro Goiettina and Maria Seren=Piocca?  That will help placing them, because, often enough, there will be two children of the same name born within minutes of each other.  I just want to be sure I get their correct families.
Scott Swanson

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On Sep 24, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
Some surnames, like Seren in Alpette, were so common, that people added suffixes to distinguished particular families.  Sometimes they were quite distinct families which claimed no kinship with each other, like the two utterly distinct Sandretto families in Pont Canavese.  Sometimes they were offshoots of the same family.  In later records the usage tended to become standardised but not always.  A record could appear under the surname + suffix, the surname, or the suffix.  I have indicated the surname + suffix here wth an equal sign (=) though it is not used in the records: hence Seren=Piocca.  Piocca is not part of Antonia's given name, but the suffix of her surname.  Goiettina is a particularly evolved form of this.  It starts out in the early Alpette records as Goglio=Tina, then by pronuncation got contracted to Goiettina.  [It is ordinarily spelled Gojettina in the records.]

You'll be able to find records after 1860 or so on Familysearch.org in the civil registration records of Ivrea, Torino, Italia.  Enter that cache, click Torino, then click Alpette, and you'll see there what available.
Scott

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On Sep 25 at 4:29 PM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
I'm not yet sure how my family ties in.  We will all certainly be descended from the Aimone and Sandretto families.  My own great-grandmother, Lucia Sandretto, came from the hamlet (borgata) of Vena, oddly in the ecclesiastical parish of Alpette but the civil commune of Cuorgnè.  Joe Thekan's grandmother Domenica Dominietto, as I mentioned, also came from Alpette, but I do not yet know her correct ancestry which I started tracing yesterday while I was tracing yours.  The fact that you share a lot more DNA with Joe than with my more immediate cousins and sister suggests you share closer ancestors with him than you share with us.  My guess at the moment is that since her mother was Antonia Goglio and Antonia Goiettino was rich in Goglio ancestors that the more immediate connection with Joe is there.  That said, with the possible exception of the Ceretto=Brac family, all the family names in Antonia Goiettina's family tree are family names in our as well.  Alpette was, as anthropologists say, endogamous, and past immediate connections it might well be impossible to sort out which segments of DNA come from what distinct families.
Scott

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On Sep 27 at 3:56 PM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
I can now tell the nearest match between Joe Thekan and you.  You are fourth cousins according to the following descent:

Petrus Gojettina                                                     Petrus Gojettina
Jacobus Gojettina                                                  Teresa Gojettina
Petrus Gojettina                                                     Antonia Goglio
Antonia Gojettina                                                   Domenica Dominietto
Matilda Trabucco                                                    Jane Aimone
John Johnson                                                         Joseph Thekan

There are other descents separate from this one that might be responsible for some of the segments you share.  Still trying to figure out the likeliest descent for some of the other matches.
sgs142

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in Alpette they have a big statue dedicated to the Seran family in the Piazza, village square148

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Seren-Piocca, Maria Teresa: Her birth date also is before the start of the available electronic records. However, I found a marriage 19 Oct 1869 (image 3 of 4) which is attached. I have also attached her death record which shows 3 Mar 1908.86

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Research notes for Maria Teresa SEREN=PIOCCA
Mother’s name listed as “Seran Rosso” on death certificate.146
Notes for Pietro Antonius (Spouse 1)
Pietro Antonius Goiettina

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Most Recent Common Ancestor DNA verification:
GEDmatch, "One-to-One DNA Comparison”, database report, GEDmatch (http://gedmatch.com) accessed August 16, 2017), kit nos. T620718 4C Joseph K. Thekan through Scott Swanson (sswanson@butler.edu) and T758555 John Johnson, 2 segments of 36.1 cM total segments larger than 7 cM, longest block on chromosome 14 (start—stop points: 61,640,491-82,223,121) equaling 21.5 cM.

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UPDATED FROM 586:
Pietro Goiettina; son of Giacomo Goiettina and Maria Magdalena Goglio; born 24 May 1844 Alpette; baptised 24 May 1844 Alpette
* birth record [Alpette 1844 #16]: Pietro Antonius Goiettina, son of Giacomo
Goiettina, son of Pietro Goiettina, son of late Giovanni Baptista Goiettina, and of Maria Magdalena Goglio, daughter of Tommaso Goglio; godparents Pietro son of Giovanni Baptista Goiettina [grandfather] and Magdalena (Galleanis) wife of Michael son of late Pancratius Seren
* marriage record [Alpette 1869 #4]: Pietro Antonius Goiettina, age 24, contadino, single, son of (living) Giacomo Goiettina and (late) Magdalena Goglio
* Pietro Goiettina married 19 October 1869 Alpette: Teresa Seren=Piocca143

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daughter Nina was 6 years old when her father died

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Pietro Goiettina; son of Giacomo Goiettina and Maria Magdalena Goglio; born 24 May
1844 Alpette; baptised 24 May 1844 Alpette
* birth record [Alpette 1844 #16]: Pietro Antonius Goiettina, son of Giacomo
Goiettina, son of Pietro Goiettina, son of late Giovanni Baptista Goiettina, and of
Maria Magdalena Goglio, daughter of Tommaso Goglio; godparents Pietro son of
Giovanni Baptista Goiettina [grandfather] and Magdalena (Galleanis) wife of
Michael son of late Pancratius Seren
* marriage record [Alpette 1869 #4]: Pietro Antonius Goiettina, age 24, contadino,
single, son of (living) Giacomo Goiettina and (late) Magdalena Goglio
* Pietro Goiettina married 19 October 1869 Alpette: Teresa Seren=Piocca145

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Following is a series of email correspondence on Goiettina/Seran ancestors, with main areas of information excerpted as follows (Source 519):
On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
Happy to hear from you.  Joseph Thekan is my father's second cousin.  I have had a look at your family tree, and the connection between you is clearly through the families of Alpette.

I have abstracted the Alpette parish registers 1657-1840 and I have pulled together information about the earlier reaches of the Goiettina and Seren=Piocca families.  It should be straightforward to find the baptismal records of your ancestors, unless they left Alpette for Cuorgnè or Torino, and carry back their lines.  That said, I'm not quite sure how your ancestors and Joe's ancestors mesh, so I don't know the exactly degree of your match.  I know thoroughly his mother's Aimone ancestry.  His mother's mother was Domenica Dominietto, also from Alpette, and her ancestry I have not yet traced, though again, I have files on earlier reaches of the Dominietto family.  Give me several weeks and I can probably add a fair number of generations to your chart.  Could you send me every detail you know about Pietro Goiettina and Maria Seren=Piocca?  That will help placing them, because, often enough, there will be two children of the same name born within minutes of each other.  I just want to be sure I get their correct families.
Scott Swanson

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On Sep 24, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
Some surnames, like Seren in Alpette, were so common, that people added suffixes to distinguished particular families.  Sometimes they were quite distinct families which claimed no kinship with each other, like the two utterly distinct Sandretto families in Pont Canavese.  Sometimes they were offshoots of the same family.  In later records the usage tended to become standardised but not always.  A record could appear under the surname + suffix, the surname, or the suffix.  I have indicated the surname + suffix here wth an equal sign (=) though it is not used in the records: hence Seren=Piocca.  Piocca is not part of Antonia's given name, but the suffix of her surname.  Goiettina is a particularly evolved form of this.  It starts out in the early Alpette records as Goglio=Tina, then by pronuncation got contracted to Goiettina.  [It is ordinarily spelled Gojettina in the records.]

You'll be able to find records after 1860 or so on Familysearch.org in the civil registration records of Ivrea, Torino, Italia.  Enter that cache, click Torino, then click Alpette, and you'll see there what available.
Scott

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On Sep 25 at 4:29 PM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
I'm not yet sure how my family ties in.  We will all certainly be descended from the Aimone and Sandretto families.  My own great-grandmother, Lucia Sandretto, came from the hamlet (borgata) of Vena, oddly in the ecclesiastical parish of Alpette but the civil commune of Cuorgnè.  Joe Thekan's grandmother Domenica Dominietto, as I mentioned, also came from Alpette, but I do not yet know her correct ancestry which I started tracing yesterday while I was tracing yours.  The fact that you share a lot more DNA with Joe than with my more immediate cousins and sister suggests you share closer ancestors with him than you share with us.  My guess at the moment is that since her mother was Antonia Goglio and Antonia Goiettino was rich in Goglio ancestors that the more immediate connection with Joe is there.  That said, with the possible exception of the Ceretto=Brac family, all the family names in Antonia Goiettina's family tree are family names in our as well.  Alpette was, as anthropologists say, endogamous, and past immediate connections it might well be impossible to sort out which segments of DNA come from what distinct families.
Scott

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On Sep 27 at 3:56 PM, Swanson, Scott wrote:

Dear John,
I can now tell the nearest match between Joe Thekan and you.  You are fourth cousins according to the following descent:

Petrus Gojettina                                                     Petrus Gojettina
Jacobus Gojettina                                                  Teresa Gojettina
Petrus Gojettina                                                     Antonia Goglio
Antonia Gojettina                                                   Domenica Dominietto
Matilda Trabucco                                                    Jane Aimone
John Johnson                                                         Joseph Thekan

There are other descents separate from this one that might be responsible for some of the segments you share.  Still trying to figure out the likeliest descent for some of the other matches.
sgs142

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Goiettina, Pietro Antonius: Digital birth records in Alpette start in 1882 and he was born in 1844 - no luck. However, his death record (attached) appears to list 21 Aug 1898 as his death. His middle name is not listed on the record, but I have found that marriage and death records are 'flexible' - frequently using the name the person commonly used rather than writing out their entire given name..86

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Research notes for Pietro Antonius (Spouse 1)
various spellings the last name: Goiettina, Goettina, Goettino, not real sure which is THE spelling.

Father’s name listed as “Pete Goiettina” on death certificate.146
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